OK, go back and read the page. See the part where I say that needing to spank an older child may be indicative of deeper problems? I'm talking about you. You've been what my mom has reservedly called "a flake" as a parent. Don't blame Mom, she's had to deal with a lot of you as a Guardian ad Litem. At this point there's no "right punishment" that's going to solve the problem, your whole family needs counseling. Now.